Responses to questions posed by a YouTuber called RoevsWade.
Links to the reports by the Guttmacher Institute to which I refer in the video:
“An Overview of Abortion in the United States”
http://www.guttmacher.org/media/presskits/2005/06/28/abortionoverview.html
“Reasons U.S. Woman Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives”
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf
By the way, the bit from the Toad the Wet Sprocket song “Good Intentions” at the top of the video pertains to Marc Hauser’s research on how human beings make moral judgments, which I briefly mention in the video. It doesn’t really pertain to the topic of abortion. So let’s just say it sounds good even though it’s unrelated to the main topic. 
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Abortion is most …
Abortion is most definitely the killing of a full human being already present at the moment of conception. There is no debate. The only question is what kind of society would systematically sanction the deliberate obfuscation of the known science to assist in the convenience culture of western society? Why are we in this mess?
Read ‘The Attempted Murder of God:Hidden Science You Really Need To Know’
“That’s just a …
“That’s just a bunch of fancy language which in effect says that the court does not consider the fetus a person.”
The Court is there to interpret the law, not to be philosophers, physicians, or anything other than judges.
“Are you claiming that the court does consider the fetus a person?”
I have no idea what the justices’ personal opinions are. I can tell you is that as a matter of constitutional law the fetus is not a person within the meaning and language of the 14th Amendment.
That’s just a bunch …
That’s just a bunch of fancy language which in effect says that the court does not consider the fetus a person. Or, if you prefer, “person” cannot be applied to the pre-natal human being. Its the same thing.
Are you claiming the court does consider the fetus a person?
The Court didn’t ” …
The Court didn’t “declar[e] the fetus a non-person.” What it said was that there was no pre-natal application of the term ‘person’ within the language and meaning of the 14th Amendment, which was the relevant constitutional provision in Roe v. Wade.
“Consider the charge of double homicide (pregnant women) for clarification: here the fetus is considered a person.”
As you no doubt know, such statutes explicitly exclude abortion from their reach.
The inclusion of ” …
The inclusion of “born” (XIV sec 1) is a prerequisite for Citizenship, that’s obvious. However, one cannot infer, from this wording, that being unborn precludes personhood. The cop-out is to ignore the ethics of abortion by declaring the fetus a non-person. Consider the charge of double homocide (pregnant women) for clarificaton: here, the fetus is considered a person.
As I noted in the …
As I noted in the video, ‘person’ within the language of meaning of the 14th Amendment refers at least to someone who has been born. This, of course, excludes a fetus. And, yes, this was an aspect of Roe v. Wade. How is that a cop out?
“All persons born …
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States….” — you’re trying to tell me that that sentence defines (or even implies) a person to be someone who must first be born?
Was this type of “logic” crucial to R v W? What a F-ing cop-out.
Why not read the …
Why not read the senator’s paper and make a video on it? – Jesus, you are a bit pompous.
The ethical dilemma …
The ethical dilemma equating man-violinist and mother-fetus:
The mother created the fetus, that’s one big difference. Its not as if the fetus crawled into her uterus and embedded itself as the violinist basically did. So if that analogy was supposed to throw me, you failed.
An atheist who thinks abortion is murder and hence immoral.
Thanks.
Thanks.
love your logical …
love your logical arguments!!
“Oh please. Spare …
“Oh please. Spare me.”
will do.
‘better 1 dead than …
‘better 1 dead than 2′
Better none dead.
“and your interpretation of what defines murder isn’t universally accepted.”
Oh please. Spare me.
1. exactly
2. …
1. exactly
2. precisely
3. better 1 dead than 2, and your interpretation of what defines murder isn’t universally accepted.
“if it were …
“if it were legalized do you really think women wouldn’t find alternative means to having abortions?”
Just because something is illegal doesn’t mean I believe people will stop breaking the law.
“means that would in turn be far more hazardous to the well being of the mother.”
To that I suggest the mother not choose a hazardous method that will not only endanger her own life but the innocent unborn child’s life as well.
“at least have it done safely.”
No such thing as ‘safe’ murder.
Youre the best.
Youre the best.
Oh, my Elohiym,
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Oh, my Elohiym,
So many long videos, this will take me a while.
And finally, I disagree. Though you didn’t state your opinion, rather than the masses, on whether it be immoral to unplug the violinist. I say yes; it is immoral.
Morality is an odd concept. Like a stick with two ends, Good, Bad. Seems simple. But we all gauge different things at different degrees. So the gauger is a veriable, as is what is being tested.
I also advice against abortion. For prevention only.
how on earth is …
how on earth is that an argument in opposition to abortion? all you made was one long concorde fallacy…
besides, if it were legalized do you really think women wouldn’t find alternative means to having abortions? means that would in turn be far more hazardous to the well being of the mother. allowing the freedom to choose, is about accepting the reality of the situation, regardless of your subjective moral view. it insures that those who are going to do it anyway, at least have it done safely.
When I told the …
When I told the story of the violinist to my fiancé she had the same reply as I did which would be yes you have the right to disconnect however you also had the obligation to complete the situation that you put yourself in, however one got there, aside from rape and molestation in the case of abortion. I added, not only that but one would be shunned by society for this action. This is how I feel about abortion and she agreed.I sometimes get the feeling that abortion is looked at as blasé.
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Now …
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Now who are we to say to a fetus, listen I understand that this is your ONLY chance in the whole history of the universe, ( billions and billions of years), to come into this world and experience conciousness. I understand that to have made it this far, ( a fetus ) you have already overcome unimaginable odds. We know all this but sorry, right now it would be a pain in the for us to allow you to be born so bye, bye. Better luck in the next big bang !!!
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If …
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If your mother had had a headache on the night that you were concieved, causing your parents to put off their lovemaking untill the following day, it is very very very probable that someone other than the person you know as yourself would be the product. Not to mention that due to a woman’s sensitive reproductive cycles it is possible that no conception at all would transpire. So you see, we are all very, very, very lucky to have been born.
I am totally …
I am totally against abortion. Let me assure you that I am a atheist just like yourself. I have absolutley no need for any religion or any god in my life so my opinions are not motivated by such primitive thoughts. My views are always based on science, reason, logic etc. I believe that abortion is wrong and here is why- First of all, the only way for a person to come into this world is for the genetic material of it’s parents to combine.
i cant help but …
i cant help but feel that if a fetus has a heart and u stop that heart from beating- then u are killing. its that simple.
God orders children …
God orders children/fetus killed: Moses was angry with the officers of the army who returned from battle. “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. [Num 31:14-18]
About the sodomy, …
About the sodomy, yeah I find it quite strange that many hetor-males are so against it, and I always tell them that “You know sodomy includes oral?” Technically its pretty much anything other than hetro vaginal intercourse. What a limit to put on such a fun past-time!