utah article: http://www.feministing.com/archives/020151.html
contact utah fellow: http://www.utah.gov/governor/contact/index.html
abortion video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Ud3g2ymOM
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Some Abortion Stuff
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An easy argument to …
An easy argument to agree to, save one point, the “we need feminists”. Abortion rights are not a feminist issue, its simply a human rights issue. However you can make the argument that a feminist would likely be more passionate when discussing the legality of this issue, however simply because it applies to women exclusively by no means relates it to the ideologies of feminism in anyway.
Utah does not “need” any particular social group, simply a basic understanding of human right violations.
I would call it …
I would call it human when it has brain activity. Even then it is the woman’s womb and if she does not wish to continue her pregnancy that is her business. It’s her body. Too bad for the foetus but it’s better in the long run for both the baby and the mother. Many women would choose to give birth and many more would choose an abortion. If you don’t like abortion don’t have one. I would prefer if women never had to have abortions but I live in the real world.
Most women …
Most women miscarriage without even being aware of it when they pass a fertilised egg with their period after it fails to attach itself to the wall of their womb.
In fact a high proportion of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Some women have several miscarriages before they give birth. That’s what “trying for a baby” means.
Do those foetuses have Christian burials?
Sometimes but more often never.
Therefore most Christian really don’t believe foetuses are fully human.
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People in comas …
People in comas still have brain activity. They were a person with thoughts and feelings and are alive outside of a body (aka not growing inside someones uterus. It isn’t the same thing… Nice try.
@Sukov
Zygote does …
@Sukov
Zygote does not equal fetus, genius. Fetus does not equal child. Holy shit, take a biology course and get out of your brainwashing church.
@ antiquelens
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@ antiquelens
Sperm are merely a part – the fetus is the whole. Sperm consists of genetic material belonging to a specific male human. The fetus belongs to no one. It is biologically a whole, distinct, individual member of the human species.
@ MystiqueProphecy
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@ MystiqueProphecy
Well I agree that a human who hasn’t yet developed their brain would have no thoughts, pain or emotions. But how does it follow that therefore it’s ok to kill them? Do you approve of killing someone who is temporarily in a coma?
So not only was …
So not only was someone raped and gets pregnant now they have to be forced to carry for 9 months and give birth so a baby they didn’t want in the first place!?
And of course the rapist isn’t going to take the baby…
There are thousands of kids all over the world UNWANTED. We have children HERE AND NOW who aren’t being adopted or taken care of and starving.
Think about the ones here who need help not the ones not even born yet, or will be given birth too.
Seriously these …
Seriously these religious groups are driving me nuts. All they can do is just bring up “its wrong” in the end… no real evidence to back anything up, ridiculous.
What ever happened to separation of church and state?
@Sukov
Sperms are …
@Sukov
Sperms are also alive and they are disposed of daily, so how is abortion murder?
@MystiqueProphecy
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@MystiqueProphecy
yes essentially they are not conscious until far into the pregnancy or until birth and thus they can’t feel pain which religious groups try to argue, without any actual medical basis.
Alive as in, has …
Alive as in, has it’s own thoughts or pain or emotions…..That plays a huge part in being alive aside from a heartbeat.
@ antiquelens
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@ antiquelens
Humans reproduce humans. An embryo or fetus is a developing human. So is an infant. So is a toddler.
If you know of a clearer biological marker than fertilization as the point at which maternal and paternal genetic material create a new, distinct member of the human species then please share.
@Sukov
if you did …
@Sukov
if you did any medical research, you would know that it is not killing a human. logic ftw.
@ TheDieHardFan1
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@ TheDieHardFan1
Well, in my “cave” we have this thing called logic. Here’s an example:
Premise 1: Killing innocent humans should be punished.
Premise 2: Abortion kills innocent humans.
Conclusion: Abortion should be punished.
If you don’t like that conclusion then where is the problem in the premises? Hint: calling me a “whacko” does not refute the argument.
@ MystiqueProphecy
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@ MystiqueProphecy
You said it wasn’t “alive”.
… Abortion is …
… Abortion is ending a developing life… The question is about where we draw the line? I’m struggling with this issue… I wanna be honest… I just want to support what is right… I just don’t know where I stand exactly yet…
@MystiqueProphecy …
@MystiqueProphecy Right! Please understand my stance on abortion… as you seem to be misinterpreting my belief… I am pro choice… but I am anti abortion… (I’m confused also, lol), i belief abortion should be legal safe and free… its doesn’t mean I condole it… I believe that after protection, the pill and morning after (which are perfectly moral forms of prevention, though don’t always stop conception, are acceptable prevention for conception or further development)… (continues)
So hang on a second …
So hang on a second.
By implication you ACTUALLY believe that women who have abortions should go to jail – millions of them and countries around the world SHOULD build gigantic prisons?
Fucking whacko. Go back to your cave you wanker.
I didn’t say it was …
I didn’t say it was “dead’ I said there was no brain activity.
@ MystiqueProphecy
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@ MystiqueProphecy
Of course the fetus is alive before brain activity. Life is an unbroken chain from parent to child. If the fetus were dead it would be a miscarriage!
@ TheDieHardFan1
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@ TheDieHardFan1
Not sure you really answered my question. So are you saying now that killing of innocent humans should be allowed if it’s expensive to jail and punish the killers? Would you then be in favor of getting rid of ALL murder laws to save money on prison costs?
Or are you just saying it’s crazy to think abortion kills innocent humans?
Of course it’s not …
Of course it’s not black and white and that’s why you don’t say “abortion shouldn’t be allowed under any circumstance”
Because you don’t know what problems people might have. You just DON’T KNOW. This is why it’s never going to be banned.
@MystiqueProphecy …
@MystiqueProphecy Please be a little more mature than calling me retarded, this isn’t a black and white issue… It’s a very complicated issue… and using retarded as an insult is offensive.
Brain activity aside this is a developing human… from conception this human being no matter what period of its life is now a developing living creator. The potential of human life from conception is so vast. Okay yes a sperm or egg has potential but that not a human life yet.
Yeh and many women …
Yeh and many women agree with me too, and the fact of the matter is legal or not people will perform abortions. Little girls will die in the process of a cheap abortion or house abortion. Killing themselves in the process. If you’re more concerned with a lifeform that isn’t even born or alive yet and not the person who is alive then that’s retarded.
Also, fetus’ do not have any brain activity until 3/ 4 months…. I’m sorry but if you do not even have any brain activity you aren’t alive.